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Friday, January 2, 2026

"China’s EV Battery Giant Is Trying to Find a New Road"

Another very deep dice, this one from Bloomberg Businessweek December 23:

Inside the world’s largest battery plant, delicate robot arms coat sheets of aluminum and copper foil—each only 5 micrometers thick, about a 20th the diameter of a human hair—with an electrode slurry, a process that resembles nothing so much as spreading jam on bread. The coated material, along with a thin separator film, is guided along by massive steel rollers, precisely calibrated to ensure each strip is neither too tight nor too loose. The next step is to wind the strips into tightly packed spirals known as jelly rolls and seal them into casings. More robotic arms then inject an electrolyte solution, turning the assemblage of metal and chemicals into a highly efficient lithium-ion battery.

The process is largely automated, but a retinue of human inspectors trained to detect the slightest imperfection keeps watch at stations throughout the factory. A single air bubble or misaligned weld could lead to a short circuit, a rare glitch in production. Once inspected, the aluminum-enclosed battery packs will be loaded onto shelves to let stand for hours to days before being shipped to electric-vehicle factories around the world.

This facility, covering almost 2 square miles in Ningde, in southeastern China, is designed to produce 60 gigawatt-hours of EV batteries annually, enough to power 1 million Model Ys for Tesla Inc. It’s the flagship manufacturing hub for one of the world’s most important automotive companies, Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd., or CATL. More than 1 out of every 3 EVs made this year had a CATL battery inside, according to data from South Korea-based SNE Research—including cars from BMW, Ford, Honda, Mercedes and Tesla, as well as Chinese brands such as Xiaomi. In May the company raised $5.3 billion by selling shares in Hong Kong, and its 57-year-old founder, Yuqun “Robin” Zeng, is now one of the 30 wealthiest people on the planet, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, with an estimated fortune of $58.3 billion.

But for CATL, as with other companies that come to lead their industries, unique success is creating unique challenges. Growth is slowing in the Chinese EV market, the world’s largest, where more than 50% of new passenger cars sold are either fully electric or plug-in hybrids. BloombergNEF forecasts the country will soon have a surplus of battery manufacturing

, with predictable effects on prices. CATL is setting up factories in Europe and Southeast Asia, regions where it hopes to build businesses as successful as the one at home. Zeng has an eye on North America too. But his company has been discouraged from manufacturing in the US by various government policies, and President Donald Trump’s administration has maintained a ban that prevents it from bidding on government contracts—all while gutting measures designed to encourage EV adoption. (Ford Motor Co., which licenses technology from CATL in the US, recently said it would take $19.5 billion in charges related to its money-losing electric operations.) Meanwhile, even in more EV-friendly Europe, governments are growing wary of depending on Chinese companies for batteries and other critical technologies.

CATL is therefore treading a fine line, between being perceived as an essential innovator and an ominous threat. In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek, Zeng says he intends to push forward regardless, pumping out more and better batteries and pushing CATL’s engineers to develop more ways for customers to use them. “Blindly chasing geopolitical changes would essentially cripple our operations,” he says. “That’s why having a Plan B is a core part of our strategy.” Having built an engine of unprecedented scale to electrify global transportation, in other words, Zeng has no choice but to run it ever faster and further.

Zeng’s entrepreneurial story has a familiar ring in China. He was born in 1968, the height of the Cultural Revolution, and came of age in the 1980s, as the economy began to open to private enterprise. Like millions of ambitious students of his generation, he studied engineering in college, then spent a few unremarkable months at a state-owned company in his home province of Fujian. He soon tired of the routine and moved, in 1989, to Guangdong, where pro-market reforms were proceeding much faster than elsewhere.

Zeng found work with a unit of TDK Corp., a Japanese manufacturer of electronic components. Ten years later he left to co-found a startup, Amperex Technology Co. Ltd., to develop batteries for various small gadgets. Using a license to a Bell Labs patent, Zeng ironed out technical glitches—such as a dangerous tendency for power packs to swell after being charged a few times—and later won a contract with Apple Inc. to supply batteries for the iPod. Deals with other electronics giants followed, and in 2005 Zeng sold his venture back to TDK, in an acquisition Chinese media reported was worth $100 million.

After working for his old employer for six more years, Zeng again struck out on his own, creating a company that would focus on the nascent electric-car industry. (Tesla introduced the Model S, arguably the first mass-market EV, in 2012.) For an English name, Zeng simply added “Contemporary” to that of his first startup. In Chinese he called it “Ningde Era”—in honor of his hometown, where it would be based. CATL’s first real break came in the form of a supply agreement with BMW AG, which established its bona fides in the automotive supply chain. “We were very fortunate to work with BMW since our earliest days,” says Matt Shen, CATL’s general manager for Europe. “We learned incredibly detailed and rigorous requirements from them.”

The deal turned out to be a beneficial move for BMW too, giving it a head start on complying with rules requiring EVs sold in China to use domestic batteries to qualify for purchase subsidies. Those policies, which began to be implemented in 2015, were part of a larger plan to reduce dependence on imported components, and gave CATL a key advantage over bigger rivals such as South Korea’s LG Chem Ltd. and Japan’s Panasonic Corp. Soon it was landing supply contracts with the Chinese joint ventures of General Motors, Mercedes and Volkswagen.

CATL first went public on the Shenzhen exchange in 2018, giving Zeng a paper net worth of $3.4 billion. It then won business from Elon Musk, who was looking to equip Tesla models made at a new plant in Shanghai. In 2020, CATL began supplying power packs for Shanghai-built Model 3s; the deal was later extended to Model Ys, and to include vehicles exported from China to other countries. (For its non-Chinese production, Tesla primarily sources from Panasonic and LG.) In the fast-growing domestic EV market, CATL had become so successful that some carmakers complained. “We’re all working for CATL now,” Zeng Qinghong, then the chairman of Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (GAC), grumbled when the company hiked prices in 2022, amid rising material costs.

One effect of this success was the transformation of Ningde, previously among the poorest cities in eastern China. Today it teems with car and ship traffic generated by CATL, which is by far the largest local employer and taxpayer. Compared with the bright lights of Shanghai or Shenzhen, the city is still a backwater, and attracting talented staff is a perennial challenge. To draw them, CATL offers perks such as subsidized housing and educational support, as well as basketball courts, gyms and other recreational facilities. It also tries to foster community, to an extent that can raise outsiders’ eyebrows: Single employees can enroll in a corporate matchmaking service, and those who pair off can celebrate their nuptials in CATL-organized group weddings. 

Critics note that, like other Chinese industrial giants, CATL has benefited from generous subsidies as well as protectionist policies that allowed it to become established with limited foreign competition. And it isn’t considered especially unique in its mastery of the chemistry of lithium-ion batteries, or of an increasingly popular alternative, lithium-iron-phosphate—at least not compared with Japanese and Korean peers. It’s working on novel approaches such as solid-state batteries, which replace the liquid electrolyte in today’s lithium-ion units with a solid separator and promise monumental performance improvements if technical challenges can be overcome. But so are CATL’s competitors.

What sets it apart, instead, are efficiencies on the production line. Among producers, “the fundamental chemistries aren’t that different. What is different is how inexpensively they can be manufactured,” says Gill Pratt, the chief scientist of Toyota Motor Corp. “It really is much more about manufacturing and production than it is about some huge science breakthrough.”

CATL’s industrial prowess has allowed it to effectively flood the Chinese market, forcing it to look for new applications to soak up its growing production. But even the most successful expansion in China won’t be enough to keep the company moving at the breakneck pace Zeng envisions. For that it will need new markets....

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Thursday, September 4, 2025

"China Decade of Dominance in EV Batteries" (CATL; BYD; TSLA)

You don't hear much about cobalt any more do you? 

From EETimes, August 25:

Not accidental but the result of a “very smart” long-term strategy, over ten years, to prioritize LFP batteries. 

For over a decade, China has meticulously orchestrated a strategic ascent in the global electric vehicle (EV) batteries market, culminating in a dominance that now presents a formidable challenge to Western manufacturers. 

From government-backed gigafactories to proprietary technology in crucial materials, China has established what one industry expert describes as “almost a moat” around its battery production, leaving Europe and the United States scrambling to catch up.

In an exclusive interview with EE Times, Doron Myersdorf, CEO of the battery technology company StoreDot, offers a stark assessment of the geopolitical and technological landscape. He attributes China’s current position to a “very smart” long-term strategy, initiated over ten years ago, to prioritize Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries. 

This foresight capitalized on China’s abundant iron resources and its early development of intellectual property (IP) in producing the composite for liquid fermions.

LFP power play and China’s strategic advantage
China’s calculated shift from Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) to LFP production was not merely a material preference; it was a blueprint for global control. Myersdorf notes that it was “there was a deliberate long-term strategy, conceived a decade ago, to leverage existing supply chains, intellectual property, and operational gigafactories. This foresight has resulted in a global dominance in LFP production today.”

This strategic leverage is evident in the struggles of companies like Northvolt, Europe’s once-heralded battery hope, which, despite significant efforts, was unable to achieve the economies of scale or yield competitive advantages, partly due to its reliance on Chinese equipment and expertise. 

Beyond raw material control, China has innovated within LFP chemistry, significantly improving efficiency. By enabling the use of larger LFP cells—a design not feasible with NMC due to safety concerns—Chinese manufacturers developed concepts like BYD’s blade battery and the “cell to pack,” “cell to chassis,” and “cell to body” designs.

These innovations eliminate modules and their associated overhead, a design inherent to NMC. Myersdorf explains that this combination of factors has effectively created “almost a monopoly on LFP” for China, establishing “like a moat for China in dominance of batteries for at least the next 10 years.”

While NMC still offers better performance for high-end vehicles, providing superior range and fast charging—a segment where StoreDot leverages NMC and silicon to deliver technologies like the Polestar 5, capable of charging in 10 minutes, LFP remains the dominant choice for A, B, and C-segment cars, as well as commercial vehicles, primarily due to cost, with supply almost exclusively coming from China.

Another critical component, graphite for anodes, also sees China holding a significant market share, “controlling over 90% percent of the graphite in the market.”....

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Previously on iron batteries:

Deep Dive: Iron Batteries Crushed The Demand For Cobalt, Reduced The Demand For Nickel
Watch Out Elon, Here Come The Iron Batteries (TSLA)

Tesla's Pivotal Move In Battery Chemistry (TSLA)

"What Tesla’s bet on iron-based batteries means for manufacturers" (TSLA)

 "Tesla will only use iron-based batteries for standard model EVs" (TSLA)

 Batteries: Lithium-Iron may be Competitive With Lithium-Cobalt

Platts' "Commodity Tracker: 5 charts to watch this week"

Batteries: ...The Race to Build Europe’s First Lithium-Iron-Phosphate Battery Gigafactory
Lithium-Iron, it's all anyone is talking about....

"Tesla in talks with China's EVE for low-cost battery supply deal -sources" TSLA)
Well I guess Tony Stark Elon Musk is now officially Iron Man. 

One more from 2018—apparently a great year for Iron Age types while I kept writing Bronze Age on my checks. ("Dad, what's a check?"):

Twenty Month Payback for Tesla 100-MW Utility Scale Battery Storage System
Elon (and Panasonic) may have just found another multi-billion dollar business.
Going forward the chemistry probably won't be Lithium ion, maybe molten-salt or iron based, but the fact TSLA can now pitch this kind of payback probably heralds the beginnings of lithium rush 3.0, or at least the promotion thereof....

And on fast charging:
Seven years ago - "DOE to fund $15M for fast electric vehicle charging research":
The fast-charging ability is going to be crucial for mass acceptance of electric vehicles if they are to be anything more than commuter-type transportation that can recharge overnight at home.

 
Watch Out Elon: Sweden's Polestar Extreme Fast Charging EV Prototype Can Add 100 Miles Of Range In Five Minutes

"China's top EV battery maker announced a breakthrough, but top boffin isn't convinced"
 
Watch Out Elon: "Wireless EV Charging Hits Key Benchmark"

Chinese EV battery maker CATL unveils LFP battery with 1,000 km range

It's not just the 620 mile range. The battery can handle extremely fast charging. From Electrek, also April 25:

CATL unveils world’s first LFP battery with 4C ultra-fast charging for 370-mi in 10 mins

"....that can add 370 miles (600 km) range in 10 minutes..."

And the flywheels? From the time CATL introduced the predecessor to the new battery, July 11, 2023:

"CATL announces new battery with 400 kilometer range on 10 minute charge"
Have I ever mentioned the "Flywheel Effect?"
*****
I think we're witnessing the Flywheel Effect in action at, not just China's but the world's largest battery producer.
Incremental advantages lead to overwhelming business success. I don't know if there are 16,000 researchers in the entire rest of the battery biz. If that's the case, how can they catch up to CATL? 

Amazing what being able to hire 16,000 researchers can lead to,

And just for grins and giggles, from Reuters, April 29, 2024:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip

Tuesday, March 18, 2025

Electric Vehicles: "BYD shares jump to a record high after unveiling five-minute EV battery"

Tesla is not taking the news at all well despite battery giant CATL having made a similar announcement back in  October.*

From Bloomberg via CNBC TV18 (Mumbai), March 18:

BYD Co. shares jumped to a record after the Chinese automaker unveiled a line-up of electric vehicles that it says can charge almost as fast as it takes to refuel a regular car.

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The automaker’s stock climbed as much as 6% at the open of trading in Hong Kong Tuesday, lifting its market value to almost $162 billion — more than Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co. and Volkswagen AG combined.

BYD’s new battery and charging system was capable of providing around 400 kilometers (249 miles) of range in 5 minutes in tests on its new Han L sedan, Chairman and founder Wang Chuanfu said Monday. The manufacturer will start selling vehicles with the new technology next month.

Being able to charge a car in the time it takes a combustion engine vehicle to pull in and out of a gas station could convince drivers who aren’t willing to make lengthy stops to go electric.

“We believe this is another sign that BYD is undergoing a strategic shift,” Macquarie Capital analysts, including head of China autos Eugene Hsiao, wrote in a note. “Rather than competing on price, vehicle design, or entering new product niches, BYD appears to be looking for ways to leverage its scale and core EV technologies to differentiate in a highly competitive market.”

“By directly addressing one of the key hurdles to BEV adoption (charging speed), the company is offering customers a clearer path to switch from ICEs to EVs,” they wrote.....

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....And on fast charging:
Seven years ago - "DOE to fund $15M for fast electric vehicle charging research":
The fast-charging ability is going to be crucial for mass acceptance of electric vehicles if they are to be anything more than commuter-type transportation that can recharge overnight at home.
 
Watch Out Elon: Sweden's Polestar Extreme Fast Charging EV Prototype Can Add 100 Miles Of Range In Five Minutes

"China's top EV battery maker announced a breakthrough, but top boffin isn't convinced"
 
Watch Out Elon: "Wireless EV Charging Hits Key Benchmark"

Chinese EV battery maker CATL unveils LFP battery with 1,000 km range

It's not just the 620 mile range. The battery can handle extremely fast charging. From Electrek, also April 25:

CATL unveils world’s first LFP battery with 4C ultra-fast charging for 370-mi in 10 mins

"....that can add 370 miles (600 km) range in 10 minutes..."

And the flywheels? From the time CATL introduced the predecessor to the new battery, July 11, 2023:

"CATL announces new battery with 400 kilometer range on 10 minute charge"
Have I ever mentioned the "Flywheel Effect?"
*****
I think we're witnessing the Flywheel Effect in action at, not just China's but the world's largest battery producer.
Incremental advantages lead to overwhelming business success. I don't know if there are 16,000 researchers in the entire rest of the battery biz. If that's the case, how can they catch up to CATL? 

Amazing what being able to hire 16,000 researchers can lead to,

And just for grins and giggles, from Reuters, April 29:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip
 
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Here's six months of Tesla's price action via TradingView:
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$224.64
 
down $13.37
(-5.62%) last and approaching the $217.02 low from March 11.

Tuesday, January 7, 2025

"How Washington's tag on China's CATL could affect Tesla"

From Reuters, January 7:

  • Pentagon listing of CATL could impact future Tesla battery partnerships
  • Designation could deal a blow to CATL's reputation in U.S.
  • CATL denies military links, calls U.S. designation a mistake

Jan 7 (Reuters) - Washington's addition of CATL to a list of firms it says work with China's military could put Tesla founder Elon Musk in a tight spot, challenging how he balances his role in the Trump administration with his ties to China.

CATL, the world's largest battery maker, is a major supplier of lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries to Tesla for its Shanghai factory, the U.S. automaker's largest. Tesla has been exporting these cars equipped with CATL batteries to other markets such as Europe and Canada.
Lawmakers have decried some of CATL's battery storage projects across the United States  , arguing they represent potential security threats. The U.S. market accounted for 4% and 35% of CATL's electric vehicle (EV) and electric storage systems (ESS) batteries, respectively, in 2023, according to Citi estimates.
The U.S. Department of Defense on Monday designated CATL and other Chinese companies including tech giant Tencent Holdings (0700.HK) as linked to China's military. While the designation does not involve any restrictions on CATL's business, it can be a blow to the reputations of affected companies and serves as a stark warning to U.S. entities about the risks of doing business with them. It could also add pressure on the U.S. Treasury Department to sanction the companies....
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The reason we introduced this morning's post, Tesla Supplier, China's Battery Giant CATL Placed On American Blacklist  by saying "CATL has 16,000 researchers. I'm not sure the rest of the industry combined has 16,000 researchers." was because of things such as October's "China is Winning The Race for Ultra-Fast Charging EV Batteries"" and April 2024's Watch Out Elon: "Wireless EV Charging Hits Key Benchmark" which we outro'd with:

...Another development was the unveiling of a battery at the Beijing Auto Show last week. 

From Reuters, another example of those advantage flywheels accruing incremental gains for the best-of breed-companies, in this case the world's largest EV battery producer. From Reuters, April 25:

Chinese EV battery maker CATL unveils LFP battery with 1,000 km range

It's not just the 620 mile range. The battery can handle extremely fast charging. From Electrek, also April 25:

CATL unveils world’s first LFP battery with 4C ultra-fast charging for 370-mi in 10 mins

"....that can add 370 miles (600 km) range in 10 minutes..."

And the flywheels? From the time CATL introduced the predecessor to the new battery, July 11, 2023:

"CATL announces new battery with 400 kilometer range on 10 minute charge"
Have I ever mentioned the "Flywheel Effect?"
*****
I think we're witnessing the Flywheel Effect in action at, not just China's but the world's largest battery producer.
Incremental advantages lead to overwhelming business success. I don't know if there are 16,000 researchers in the entire rest of the battery biz. If that's the case, how can they catch up to CATL? 

Amazing what being able to hire 16,000 researchers can lead to.

And just for grins and giggles, from Reuters, April 29:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip

If interested, the October post has quite a few links on how important the iron batteries are.

Tesla Supplier, China's Battery Giant CATL Placed On American Blacklist

CATL has 16,000 researchers. I'm not sure the rest of the industry combined has 16,000 researchers.

From Bloomberg, January 6:

CATL’s Outsized Share of World’s EV Cell Market Highlights Risks 

It’s hard to overstate the reach CATL has in the world’s electric car market.

Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd., as the company is formally known, ranks among the biggest Chinese firms to ever be blacklisted by the Pentagon.

But it’s its extensive presence across automobile supply chains that has the potential to severely upset the world’s car industry should automakers have to find an alternative.

About one in three electric cars have a CATL battery under their hood. As the industry’s dominant supplier, it’s little wonder some may feel nervous now CATL is in the spotlight after being cited by the US Defense Department for alleged links to the Chinese military.

Other companies now in that basket include gaming giant Tencent Holdings Ltd.

Read more: US Adds Tencent and Tesla’s China Battery Maker to Blacklist

While the designation only impacts each company’s ability to supply to the US military, there’s the tough to quantify — and more problematic — reputational hit.

Ningde, Fujian-based CATL has a who’s who of global automakers as its customers, stretching from Elon Musk’s Tesla Inc. to Ford Motor Co., Volkswagen AG, Stellantis NV and Japan’s Honda Motor Co.

In a statement, CATL said it’s a “mistake for the US Department of Defense to include CATL on a list of Chinese military companies operating” in the US. It added it’s not engaged in any military-related activities besides.

The move by the Defense Department came after Republican lawmakers pushed the US government to add CATL to its blacklist in August last year.

CATL’s market share in 2024 was about 37%, well ahead of Chinese rival BYD Co. at 17%, which considering it also makes cars, predominantly supplies itself. Between the two, they’re responsible for over half of the global EV battery market....

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Always, always be aware of the political nature of alt-energy/green investing. And attempt to incorporate the worldview of our first inductee into the Climateer Investing Hall of Fame into your investment matrix:

...This stuff is all political and investors must keep an ear to the political ground or risk tremendous losses. There are only two viable approaches to rentseeking investing and politicians, buy 'em or play 'em.

We must have the mindset of the first recipient of the prestigious Climateer Investing "Our Hero" award, the 26th Secretary of War and Democrat and Republican (!) Senator from Pennsylvania.

I'll close with my standard quote, from Simon Cameron.
From our post on biofuels, March '07:

Finally for investors in rent-seeking organizations there is the real risk that the politicians will change the rules. Heed the words of Sen. Simon Cameron (R&D!-Pa.):
Our Hero
Simon Cameron

"The honest politician is one who when 
he is bought, will stay bought."

That's an April 2009 iteration of the boilerplate in "RENEWED ENERGY: Solar Seeks Special Place in Climate Bill (Rentseeking to the Fifth)".

Tuesday, December 17, 2024

"Indonesia Plans to Pitch Data-Center Opportunities to Elon Musk"

Do it Elon. (He missed a trick with Tesla in Indonesia)

From the Wall Street Journal, December 17:

The country plans to pitch business opportunities, including data centers

NUSA DUA, Indonesia—Indonesia plans to pitch business opportunities, including data centers, to Elon Musk, although he previously declined a proposal to build an electric-vehicle battery factory in the country, a government adviser said.

Musk, the world’s richest man and an adviser to President-elect Donald Trump, struck a $5 billion deal in 2022 for his car company, Tesla, to purchase nickel from Indonesia. The country holds the world’s largest reserves of nickel, a key component in electric-vehicle batteries.

Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan, chairman of Indonesia’s National Economic Council, said he suggested the battery-factory idea to Musk, but was turned down due to Indonesia’s distance from Tesla’s car factories.

“We offered this, but at the time, they had their own idea that they’re going to do it in the U.S.,” Luhut said in an interview. “But I understand also because it’s very close to the factory” for Tesla vehicles, he said.

Tesla didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Luhut said he would continue pitching business opportunities in the coming months, including the possibility of building data centers for xAI, Musk’s artificial-intelligence company.

In recent years, Indonesia, the world’s fourth most-populous nation, has strengthened its ties with Musk through Luhut, a senior leader in the previous administration and now an adviser to Indonesia’s new president, Prabowo Subianto.

“We are friends,” Luhut said of his relationship with Musk.

Luhut said he last spoke to Musk about two weeks ago in a 10-minute Zoom call, during which he congratulated Musk on helping Trump win the election and on Musk’s new role leading the Department of Government Efficiency, an initiative aimed at cutting federal spending and regulations.

“Welcome to the big headache,” Luhut recalled joking. He added that he told Musk that government advisers, unlike corporate chief chiefs, “cannot make a decision alone.”....

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Previously on Musk and Indonesia, the 2023 series:

February 2023
Indonesia's President Jokowi ‘confident’ Tesla Will Invest (TSLA)

Elon better get this right. Maybe, if the Indonesian government actually gets going on the project to shift the capital to Borneo Mr. Musk could be something of an employment anchor, but whatever he does he should make amends to Indonesia....

August 1, 2023
"Indonesia's new capital aims to be 'economic growth center'"

August 12, 2023
"Musk still mulling massive Tesla plant for Indonesia"
As well he should. Indonesia as both a raw material supplier and value-chain extender is a win for Tesla and a win for Indonesia. Throw in the benefits of a developing market for the end product and Tesla would be foolish to only build the Malaysian plant.

As we've tried to emphasize for the last couple years, resource nationalism is real and the desire of resource-rich countries to be left with something more than a hole in the ground for their efforts is the story of this decade and beyond....

September 2023
"Tesla Unlikely to Pursue Indonesia Plant Soon, Panjaitan Says"
This decision has been terribly mis-handled by Tesla management and Tesla's communications peeps....

Previously on Indonesia:

 And very related:

And more recently:
October 5, 2023
"Oz-Indonesia tie-up could break China’s EV battery supremacy"
November 5, 2024
Jakarta Who? Indonesia's New Capital, Nusantara, Will Be A Tech Hub

Tuesday, December 10, 2024

China's Battery Giant CATL To Build US$4.3 billion EV Battery Plant In Spain With Fiat Owner Stellantis

From the South China Morning Post, December 11:

Joint venture received support from the Spanish government, which abstained in the EU’s October vote to impose extra tariffs on Chinese-made EVs

China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL), the largest maker of batteries for electric vehicles (EVs), is building its third plant in Europe through a joint venture with Fiat owner Stellantis, stepping up its overseas expansion to overcome higher tariffs.

The parties have agreed to spend €4.1 billion (US$4.3 billion) to build the factory in Zaragoza in northeastern Spain with a capacity to produce 50 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of batteries annually, according to a statement. One GWh can supply to 13,000 EVs with a driving range of 500km.

The first phase of the new factory will be operational in 2026, adding to its existing facilities in Germany and Hungary. The joint venture was made public two months after the European Union (EU) voted to impose additional tariffs of up to 35 per cent on Chinese-built pure electric cars after an anti-subsidy probe. CATL counts Tesla and BMW among its major customers....
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Thursday, November 14, 2024

"The world’s biggest battery maker says Elon Musk’s 4680 cell ‘is going to fail’" (TSLA)

From The Verge, November 14:

The chairman of CATL isn't a believer in Elon's cylindrical battery quest. 

Robin Zeng, the founder of the world’s largest EV battery company, says Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s big bet on 4680 cylindrical cell technology “is going to fail and never be successful.” Zeng, the chairman of China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL), tells Reuters that when Musk visited China in April, “We had a very big debate, and I showed him. He was silent. He doesn’t know how to make a battery.”

Tesla’s “tabless” 4680 cells, which are used in some of its cars, including the Cybertruck, are supposed to have “five times” more energy capacity, and the company announced in September it had produced 100 million of them. A recent report by The Information said Musk had given the team working on the batteries an end of the year deadline to deal with costs and other problems.

CATL batteries, meanwhile, go inside everything from Tesla vehicles in China to Ford EVs in North America like the Mustang Mach-E and F-150 Lightning. The company specializes in lithium iron phosphate batteries (LFP), which generally don’t get as much range as various cylindrical cell units used in many Tesla vehicles....

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We posted the Reuters stories on Wednesday morning (the 13th):

"Chinese giant CATL pushes beyond batteries into power grids, EV platforms"

Readers who have been with us for a while may remember when Tesla was designing their own proprietary chips and Elon's friend and supplier said:

"Nvidia CEO is 'more than happy to help' if Tesla's A.I. chip doesn't pan out" (NVDA; TSLA)  

Perhaps the same will be true in the case of CATL. As noted after Mr. Musk's whirlwind visit to Beijing earlier this year:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip

CATL is also a supplier to Tesla.

Tuesday, October 15, 2024

"China is Winning The Race for Ultra-Fast Charging EV Batteries"

From OilPrice, October 10:

  • Chinese battery manufacturers, led by CATL, are introducing new batteries capable of superfast charging, achieving 80% charge in under 10 minutes.
  • China’s dominance in Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) battery technology, which is safer and more cost-effective than nickel-cobalt alternatives, gives it an edge over competitors like South Korea's LG and Samsung.
  • Despite advancements, concerns about battery lifespan, overheating, and the availability of public charging stations still hinder mass EV adoption.

The world's biggest battery makers are working to make electric vehicles more attractive to hesitant buyers by offering a five-minute charge time for a decent range that would give drivers the same superfast experience as they would have at a gas station.

Currently, the charging times for EVs range anywhere from 20 minutes to 50 or more hours, depending on the charger types and speeds, as well as the vehicle battery capacity.

Some battery makers have recently unveiled batteries capable of charging to 80 percent in fewer than 10 minutes and say that technological advances will soon lead to the five-minute charge that would revolutionize the EV driving experience.     

However, experts point to faster exhaustion of the battery's lifespan in excessive superfast charging and increased risks of battery fires with overheating during the under-10-minute charge.

In addition, the lack of superfast charging is only one of the current anxieties for drivers considering buying an EV. Others include not enough public charging points for a convenient car trip at longer distances, the cost of buying and keeping an EV with uncertainties about incentives, and expensive battery replacement.

The 10-Minute Charge Breakthrough

The Chinese battery manufacturers are leading in the race to superfast charging as their lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries are not as susceptible to overheating as the nickel-cobalt chemistry in the batteries of their competitors in South Korea.

China's Contemporary Amperex Technology Co., Limited (CATL), the world's biggest battery maker, which supplies batteries to Tesla and BMW, among others, unveiled in April the world's first LFP battery that achieves a range above 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) with 4C superfast charging....

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Previously on iron batteries:
Deep Dive: Iron Batteries Crushed The Demand For Cobalt, Reduced The Demand For Nickel
Watch Out Elon, Here Come The Iron Batteries (TSLA)

Tesla's Pivotal Move In Battery Chemistry (TSLA)

"What Tesla’s bet on iron-based batteries means for manufacturers" (TSLA)

 "Tesla will only use iron-based batteries for standard model EVs" (TSLA)

 Batteries: Lithium-Iron may be Competitive With Lithium-Cobalt

Platts' "Commodity Tracker: 5 charts to watch this week"

Batteries: ...The Race to Build Europe’s First Lithium-Iron-Phosphate Battery Gigafactory
Lithium-Iron, it's all anyone is talking about....

"Tesla in talks with China's EVE for low-cost battery supply deal -sources" TSLA)
Well I guess Tony Stark Elon Musk is now officially Iron Man. 

One more from 2018—apparently a great year for Iron Age types while I kept writing Bronze Age on my checks. ("Dad, what's a check?"):

Twenty Month Payback for Tesla 100-MW Utility Scale Battery Storage System
Elon (and Panasonic) may have just found another multi-billion dollar business.
Going forward the chemistry probably won't be Lithium ion, maybe molten-salt or iron based, but the fact TSLA can now pitch this kind of payback probably heralds the beginnings of lithium rush 3.0, or at least the promotion thereof....

And on fast charging:
Seven years ago - "DOE to fund $15M for fast electric vehicle charging research":
The fast-charging ability is going to be crucial for mass acceptance of electric vehicles if they are to be anything more than commuter-type transportation that can recharge overnight at home.
 
Watch Out Elon: Sweden's Polestar Extreme Fast Charging EV Prototype Can Add 100 Miles Of Range In Five Minutes

"China's top EV battery maker announced a breakthrough, but top boffin isn't convinced"
 
Watch Out Elon: "Wireless EV Charging Hits Key Benchmark"

Chinese EV battery maker CATL unveils LFP battery with 1,000 km range

It's not just the 620 mile range. The battery can handle extremely fast charging. From Electrek, also April 25:

CATL unveils world’s first LFP battery with 4C ultra-fast charging for 370-mi in 10 mins

"....that can add 370 miles (600 km) range in 10 minutes..."

And the flywheels? From the time CATL introduced the predecessor to the new battery, July 11, 2023:

"CATL announces new battery with 400 kilometer range on 10 minute charge"
Have I ever mentioned the "Flywheel Effect?"
*****
I think we're witnessing the Flywheel Effect in action at, not just China's but the world's largest battery producer.
Incremental advantages lead to overwhelming business success. I don't know if there are 16,000 researchers in the entire rest of the battery biz. If that's the case, how can they catch up to CATL? 

Amazing what being able to hire 16,000 researchers can lead to,

And just for grins and giggles, from Reuters, April 29:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip

Sunday, May 19, 2024

"Baidu Launches New $28,000 Robotaxi In Wuhan"

Although we had two posts on the subject I may not have emphasized enough how big an opportunity Elon Musk's deals with Baidu actually are. First, some background:

China has a communist government, they pick winners and losers in business, that's what communists do.

We first became aware of how important this understanding is in the case of the Chinese rare earth companies. Here's a snip from a 2009 post, "Inner Mongolia Baotou Steel Rare-Earth Hi-Tech Co., Ltd. UP 10% Wednesday (600111: Shanghai)", this is a couple years before the twenty-tweens rare earth mania:

....China's moves to tighten control on the mining and export of a class of metal ores called rare earth are aimed at attracting high-tech manufacturing to Inner Mongolia, and not at dominating the market, a senior Chinese official said.

Wednesday's comments by Zhao Shuanglin, vice chairman of Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, appear aimed at quelling concerns that China is trying to dominate the global market for rare-earth resources, used in some environmentally friendly technologies. Rare-earth metals greatly improve batteries made for hybrid cars....

...China also is taking steps to consolidate its rare-earth industry. Mr. Zhao, who said he runs the region's industrial policy, said Inner Mongolia Baotou Steel Rare Earth Hi-Tech Co. would lead that consolidation. The move is aimed at creating a group of rare-earth miners and processors in the region's western parts. Inner Mongolia Baotou Steel Rare Earth's stock rose 7.6% in Shanghai trading Wednesday.

"Most of the consolidation is complete," Mr. Zhao said. "We want to build Baotou into an international rare earth production base."....

By November 2010 the story was:
"Rare Earth: Inner Mongolia Baotou Steel Rare Earth Hi Tech Co. Ltd. Reports 369% Increase in Q3 Net":
This is the big dog.
And one that the Chinese government says will be on top of the mandated industry consolidation.

IMBSREHTCL was chosen to succeed.

In the case of artificial intelligence it was apparent by 2017 that Baidu, known in the West as a search engine, was the anointed one for machine learning and such. Some of our headlines:

May 2015: Baidu Artificial Intelligence Beats Google, Microsoft In Image Recognition 

February 2017:"How Chinese Internet Giant Baidu Uses AI And Machine Learning"   

February 2017: "China is funding Baidu to take on the US in deep-learning research"

April 2017: "The Mobile Internet Is Over. Baidu Goes All In on AI"

September 2017: "China's Baidu launches $1.5 billion autonomous driving fund

December 2017: "Interview With CEO Robin Li on Baidu's (and China's) Goal Of Ruling Artificial Intelligence"

So yes, you could say Baidu is the Inner Mongolia Baotou Steel Rare Earth Hi-Tech Co. of Chinese AI. Though it's quicker just to say Baidu.

And the headline story from Forbes, May 14:

Baidu, the tech company sometimes called the “Google of China” announced its new 6th generation robotaxi, with plans to deploy 1,000 of them in Wuhan this year. They also forecast they will be profitable in 2025 (on a “unit economy” basis, a type of gross margin.) The new vehicle, which costs them 200,000 RMB to build (around $27,500 USD) is half the cost of their previous generation vehicle.

While the new vehicles retain a wheel and pedals, they will operate without safety drivers in Wuhan, where 70% of Baidu Apollo Go’s robotaxi operations currently are without a safety driver, according to the company.

They are also lowering costs by automating a lot of their depot operations. These vehicles use automatic battery swap to recharge, and Apollo Go states that vehicle activation, dispatch, cleaning and retrieval will all be done without human intervention. On the software side, they announced a new foundation model (AI technology) will now be doing the driving, and is flexible enough to deploy in new cities with about 6 months of effort....

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The April 29 headline focused on Tesla and the government:
"Tesla Stock Jumps As Elon Musk Scores FSD Wins In China Visit" (TSLA)

But this from May 15 was just as important:
"Baidu’s Robotaxi Nears Profitability, While US Peers Are Stuck in Neutral"

And May 17 "Reuters Exclusive: Musk pushes plan for China data to power Tesla's AI ambitions (TSLA)

Musk seems to have gotten quite a bit done on his visit to China. The outro from a different April 29 post, this one on CATL's new battery that can charge at the rate of one kilometer of range per second

....And just for grins and giggles, from Reuters, April 29:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip
Now back to Baidu:
"Baidu’s voice cloning AI can swap genders and remove accents"
Great.
It looks as if I'm going to have to go through that whole "What is real?" thing again....

Tuesday, April 30, 2024

Watch Out Elon: "Wireless EV Charging Hits Key Benchmark"

One of the current (!) and future cash flows that go into analyst models of Tesla's valuation is the charging business. In North America they basically own it, with by far the largest network of charging points and with 20 out of 22 competitors having signed on to the standard.

One figure that's been tossed around is $5 billion in annual revenue by 2030. Whether that's a good guess, I don't know but that's the order of magnitude. Plus it's easy to remember.

From IEEE Spectrum, April 18:

Wireless EV Charging Hits Key Benchmark
Oak Ridge researchers move plugless electric future forward 

Researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee recently announced that they have set a record for wireless EV charging. Their system’s magnetic coils have reached a 100-kilowatt power level. In tests in their lab, the researchers reported their system’s transmitter supplied enough energy to a receiver mounted on the underside of a Hyundai Kona EV to boost the state of charge in the car’s battery by 50 percent (enough for about 150 kilometers of range) in less than 20 minutes.

“Impressive,” says Duc Minh Nguyen, a research associate in the Communication Theory Lab at King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) in Saudi Arabia. Nguyen is the lead author of several of papers on dynamic wireless charging, including some published when he was working toward his PhD at KAUST.

The Oak Ridge announcement marks the latest milestone in work on wireless charging that stretches back more than a decade. As IEEE Spectrumreported in 2018, WiTricity, headquartered in Watertown, Mass., had announced a partnership with an unspecified automaker to install wireless charging receivers on its EVs. Then in 2021, the company revealed that it was working with Hyundai to outfit some of its Genesis GV60 EVs with Wireless charging. (In early 2023, Car Buzz reported that it had sniffed out paperwork pointing to Hyundai’s plans to equip its Ionic 5 EV with wireless charging capability.)....

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Another development was the unveiling of a battery at the Beijing Auto Show last week. 

From Reuters, another example of those advantage flywheels accruing incremental gains for the best-of breed-companies, in this case the world's largest EV battery producer. From Reuters, April 25:

Chinese EV battery maker CATL unveils LFP battery with 1,000 km range

It's not just the 620 mile range. The battery can handle extremely fast charging. From Electrek, also April 25:

CATL unveils world’s first LFP battery with 4C ultra-fast charging for 370-mi in 10 mins

"....that can add 370 miles (600 km) range in 10 minutes..."

And the flywheels? From the time CATL introduced the predecessor to the new battery, July 11, 2023:

"CATL announces new battery with 400 kilometer range on 10 minute charge"
Have I ever mentioned the "Flywheel Effect?"
*****
I think we're witnessing the Flywheel Effect in action at, not just China's but the world's largest battery producer.
Incremental advantages lead to overwhelming business success. I don't know if there are 16,000 researchers in the entire rest of the battery biz. If that's the case, how can they catch up to CATL? 

Amazing what being able to hire 16,000 researchers can lead to,

And just for grins and giggles, from Reuters, April 29:

CATL boss visits Elon Musk's Beijing hotel on Tesla CEO's surprise trip

Thursday, March 28, 2024

"Tesla deliveries face hit from China slowdown, soft demand" (TSLA)

We saw in Monday's "Goldman Hints That Tesla May Have Some Negative FCF Quarters Ahead (TSLA)": 

....Tesla is between growth waves; new products a key consideration: According to the comments from its last earnings call, Tesla is currently between two growth waves, and expects notably lower growth in 2024....

But it appears management is more focused on being one of the 10 survivors in the auto manufacturing business than on going all out to goose 2024 sales.

One example is yesterday's announcement with the world's largest battery maker (via MarketWatch):

Tesla joins forces with Chinese battery maker CATL, and it’s a ‘game changer’ for this analyst 
The news comes as Wall Street continues to dial down expectations for Tesla’s first-quarter sales

Tesla Inc. is joining forces with Chinese EV battery maker CATL, which would be a “game changer” for the U.S.-based EV maker as it works to launch a vehicle costing about $25,000 and suffers through another volley of lowered expectations for its quarterly sales.

“The U.S. is an under-penetrated EV market in need of high quality, cheap battery tech. China is a highly penetrated EV market with an oversupply of batteries,” Adam Jonas at Morgan Stanley said in a note Wednesday.

“The [U.S. Environmental Protection Agency] has ambitious EV goals but must consider national security issues. Tesla-CATL could be a game changer.”....

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Tesla has been relentless about driving down costs, which gives the company the ability to lower prices for their customers. And at the moment costs and prices are the driving forces in the EV industry and to date we've only heard Elon and Stellantis talking about this reality. 

And the headline story from Reuters via Yahoo Finance, March 28:

Tesla is expected to report sluggish first-quarter deliveries next week as the boost from its price cuts wanes and the U.S. automaker grapples with strong competition for buyers in a slowing electric-vehicle market.

After years of rapid sales growth that helped turn it into the world's most valuable automaker, Tesla is bracing for a slowdown in 2024.

The company has been slow to refresh its aging models at a time high interest rates have sapped consumer appetite for big-ticket items and rivals in China, the world's largest auto market, are rolling out cheap models.

"Tesla may be witnessing price-cut fatigue with consumers and may be testing profitability levels that the company may not find acceptable," Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas said in a report to clients earlier this month.

"Such conditions may not significantly improve near-term given the age of Tesla's product line-up."

The dour expectations have sent Tesla's shares down nearly 28% so far this year, making them the worst performer in the S&P 500 index.

Tesla is expected to deliver 458,500 vehicles in the quarter to March 31, according to 17 analysts polled by Visible Alpha....

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Yesterday BYD reported some very good numbers but missed expectations, guided lower and the stock was down 7.4% at one point, SCMP via MSN, March 27:

BYD’s annual earnings surge 81% to all-time high on record EV deliveries, warns of weak consumer demand and global headwinds

 

Tuesday, February 13, 2024

"Solid-State Batteries Could Face 'Production Hell'” (QS)

The first time the phrase "production hell" really registered for me was in 2017 when Elon Musk ended up sleeping at the gigafactory trying to get the Model 3 into production. He sounded very ragged and frazzled in his communications with the outside world.

But he pulled it off.

From IEEE Spectrum, January 26:

Recent solid-state battery announcements by Volkswagen and QuantumScape are raising hopes in the electric-vehicle market, but automotive battery experts are warning that the road to widespread, solid-state success is still a long and arduous one. A single breakthrough, as if from above, is not likely to turn the whole industry on its nose anytime soon.

“Solid-state is a great technology,” noted Bob Galyen, owner of Galyen Energy and former chief technology officer for the Chinese battery giant Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd. (CATL). “But it’s going to be just like lithium-ion was in terms of the length of time it will take to hit the market. And lithium-ion took a long time to get there.”

“I haven’t seen cost numbers that are even close to competing with liquid-state, lithium-ion batteries.“ —Bob Galyen, Galyen Energy

Galyen and other experts consulted by IEEESpectrum noted that recent announcements by Volkswagen, QuantumScape, Toyota, and NIO have resulted in impressive stock market performance. However, these same experts noted a pointed skepticism toward the technical merits of these announcements. None could isolate anything on the horizon indicating that solid-state technology can escape the engineering and “production hell” that lies ahead.

The remaining hurdles will involve validating existing solid-state battery technologies (currently in use for more limited, often medical, applications) for cars and trucks. The adoption curve, experts say, will depend on the product’s ability to be validated in terms of performance, life, and cost characteristics.

Solid-state cells, so-named for their use of a solid electrolyte, are seen as a key to the future of the electric car because they potentially offer greater safety and energy, as well as much faster recharge times. Solid-state cells differ from conventional lithium-ion batteries in their use of a glass or ceramic electrolyte, instead of a liquid composed of lithium salts. Automakers are keen on solid-state batteries’ future, because the technology offers greater thermal stability than liquid-based batteries, thus allowing for substantially faster recharge, among other advantages.

Solid-state has also been the subject of recent announcements from battery manufacturers and mainstream automakers alike. In early January, Volkswagen Group’s PowerCo SE battery company said it tested lithium-metal cells from QuantumScape, achieving 1,000 charging cycles with 95 percent of the cell’s capacity still intact. The company said in a statement that the cell’s life-performance was analogous to “an electric car that could drive more than 500,000 kilometers (300,000 miles) without any noticeable loss of range.”....

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Good luck to QuantumScape. Yesterday we posted Team China: "CATL, BYD, others unite in China for solid-state battery breakthrough". That's the world's largest battery producer teamed up with the world's largest EV producer. And as noted in 2021:

World's Largest Battery Maker To Introduce New Sodium Ion Battery To Help Ease Lithium Shortages

Here we are breaking our general rule against posting every 'breakthrough' or change in chemistry or manufacturing process for the second time in a week* but when it's CATL or Tesla you almost have to pay attention or risk getting stuck as the market moves away from you.

On the other hand we have no interest in something like QuantumScape which recently reiterated their target dates for commercialization as 2024 -2025. Too much can happen in the meantime.And a small underfunded company may not be able to react.... 

And QS stock price action over that time period:


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